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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    Why was there no US Department of Education prior to 17 October 1979?
    There WAS...before Jimmy Carter created a separate Cabinet-level department for Education, it was part of the Department of HEW --Health, Education and Welfare. Moving the Education part to a separate department resulted in the Health and Welfare sides being turned into a renamed Department called Health & Human Services (HHS).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    Really?!..........Why are there no Federal Universities?


    Ludwig: Really? what in the hell is a "Federal University".....

    Our Founders believed that education was a States function.....(and I agree with them)....mac
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    Really?! Our founders thought that? Why was it not mentioned in the founding documents then? Why did public education not come around until the 20th Century? Why are there no Federal Universities? Why was there no US Department of Education prior to 17 October 1979?
    I'm not sure what you consider "founders documents".

    It was cussed and discussed back in the day (the federalist papers had reams about it) but most founders felt that education should be controlled by the States and was not the Feds...and not a point of contention nor an item of debate during the writing and ratification of our Constitution....mac
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    Yet so many use Jeffersons letters as proof of intent when they refer to the thinking of the founding fathers. Well, he may have been one of the founding fathers, but his thinking was about as far out there as it gets. Maddison is the guy I prefer to look at when thinking about what they thought.

    You would think that Jefferson wrote and designed American thought and ethics... Not true.
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    Let's face it - the Founders of this Republic were at each other's throats half the time. We almost had a king! Hamilton and Burr dueled - both for private and political reasons. Jefferson hated Adams, and vice versa until much later in life. Elections back in the day were just as nasty, if not nastier, than now.

    We do commonly call our Republic an example of "Madisonian Democracy", not "Jeffersonian".

    The fact is, we are still growing, and will go on strong, especially if we get rid of the wingnuts currently occupying the nation's capitol.
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    As a nation we are sinking into ignoble death, leaving behind us nothing but an example that will deter people to the end of time from attempting to establish and maintain a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    As a nation we are sinking into ignoble death, leaving behind us nothing but an example that will deter people to the end of time from attempting to establish and maintain a government of the people, for the people, and by the people.
    You're correct, I suppose I am optimistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txswimmer View Post
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    Let's face it - the Founders of this Republic were at each other's throats half the time. We almost had a king! Hamilton and Burr dueled - both for private and political reasons. Jefferson hated Adams, and vice versa until much later in life. Elections back in the day were just as nasty, if not nastier, than now.

    We do commonly call our Republic an example of "Madisonian Democracy", not "Jeffersonian".

    The fact is, we are still growing, and will go on strong, especially if we get rid of the wingnuts currently occupying the nation's capitol.
    Wrong words. Think 'Merovingian Democracy'. Then read up on 'Cain-King Sargon'.

    The more things change, the more they stay the same.

    Whatever this nation was. Ended decades ago. To consider this present day monstrosity in terms of it ending. Is short sited. Because you have an earthly king and don't know it...yet. Other notes on the subject. Sometime around 2060 and this world ends.

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    Quote Originally Posted by txswimmer View Post
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    The fact is, we are still growing, and will go on strong, especially if we get rid of the wingnuts currently occupying the nation's capitol.

    Swimmer: well, even though though that's a very big "if", I totally agree. We will persevere.......how do I know? "Because we must, plus I'm gettin' short and PCS orders are in the mail.........mac
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