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    Civics in Texas

    Some of you have talked about the need to teach civics in Texas. Right now there is a big debate going on in the legislature on how to teach it....Should Texas subscribe to the "woke" theory of teaching today's happenings including racism and the "systematic racism" practiced by our country in the past and that is going on today?..or..Should it focus more on DJT's beliefs,when he was in office, that we should be teaching basically the good things about our country and what we have achieved in the past and in today's world, socially and politically ?
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    Some of you have talked about the need to teach civics in Texas. Right now there is a big debate going on in the legislature on how to teach it....Should Texas subscribe to the "woke" theory of teaching today's happenings including racism and the "systematic racism" practiced by our country in the past and that is going on today?..or..Should it focus more on DJT's beliefs,when he was in office, that we should be teaching basically the good things about our country and what we have achieved in the past and in today's world, socially and politically ?
    Civics should be a fact based program of how government should work, not a social exercise for the right or the left.
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    Voters in Southlake (northeast of Ft. Worth) recently decided to NOT allowing their ISD to teach 'critical race theory', if I remember the news story correctly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by txswimmer View Post
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    Civics should be a fact based program of how government should work, not a social exercise for the right or the left.
    Swimmer: "how government should work" is not "fact based. It's opinion.......mac

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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
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    Swimmer: "how government should work" is not "fact based. It's opinion.......mac

    If you consider the Declaration of Independence and our Constitutions to be opinion then I accept your statement. Those documents should be the base of any Civics curriculum.
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    In the beginning the Founding Fathers clearly wrote they were creating a Republic. What are we now? Some say a democracy, many say we a socialist country. I've written my congress critters and told each of them they need to get their facts straight if they want my vote. We are a Republic according to our founding documents.




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    Levin put it nicely last night, as did Guttfeld... If they do not teach socialism in any classes, how are the children supposed to learn about how it fails every time it is tried. I mean, socialism sounds great to the uninitiated, until someone points out that money has to come from somewhere, and that somewhere can run out over time.

    Also, you think it would become clear that if government based socialism worked, it would have been very popular and all over the place. Ask the Greeks how it is working out for them....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    If you consider the Declaration of Independence and our Constitutions to be opinion then I accept your statement. Those documents should be the base of any Civics curriculum.
    true dat, but he wasn't talkin' bout that, he (Swimmer) was talkin' 'bout "how the government should work, and there ain't squat in either the Declaration or Constitution about how our Government should work......mac
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    Quote Originally Posted by sickofpc View Post
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    Some of you have talked about the need to teach civics in Texas. Right now there is a big debate going on in the legislature on how to teach it....Should Texas subscribe to the "woke" theory of teaching today's happenings including racism and the "systematic racism" practiced by our country in the past and that is going on today?..or..Should it focus more on DJT's beliefs,when he was in office, that we should be teaching basically the good things about our country and what we have achieved in the past and in today's world, socially and politically ?
    I think they should use something like the 1776 project to teach it. Anyone, in authority, subscribing to a woke theory or critical (race) theory should not be allowed anywhere near a civics classroom. Frankly, they shouldn't be allowed around children.

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    Voters in Southlake (northeast of Ft. Worth) recently decided to NOT allowing their ISD to teach 'critical race theory', if I remember the news story correctly.
    That is a good first step.

    https://www.heritage.org/education/c...ers-had-enough
    The flyer is a striking example of the woke mob?s attempt to control how people think and act. It tries to manipulate guilt ("you may experience privilege") and rejects the idea that we are all created equal, and that legal and cultural institutions should treat us accordingly ("reject the myth of colorblindness").

    The critical race theory dogma on display in this Idaho middle school is a philosophy that originated in Germany in the 1920s among a group of Marxist intellectuals. Originally termed ?critical theory,? it teaches that we must consider society as being inhabited only by oppressors and the oppressed.

    This worldview influenced professors in American law schools in the mid-20th century, inspiring a generation of lawyers, legislators, and legal scholars to apply the idea to an interpretation of the U.S. Constitution and legal system, arguing that American law is systemically oppressive. President Joe Biden even used this term in his speech before Congress earlier this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
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    Swimmer: "how government should work" is not "fact based. It's opinion.......mac

    Not really - you teach the law and rules. That is how government works. How the Executive Branch, Congress and the Courts are laid out in the Constitution, how elections work, how a bill gets passed; How the military is structured, etc. Opinion may be addressed with older students, in a neutral forum. There should be no attempts by the left or right to "indoctrinate".

    "Critical race theory" is a joke. Unbeknownst to many who propose it be taught, it will invite a lot of backlash against those who are supposed to benefit from it. It is not civics - it is political rhetoric, and political theater. More idiocracy in motion.
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