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    Bowyer is Triggering the Snowflakes

    On Twitter it says it's his 4th of July Talladega car, but they are at Indy on the 4th. They will probably try to ban the American flag after this!

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    Who are "they"? NASCAR? The 'snowflakes"?
    "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says." 'Argument Clinic', Monty Python's Flying Circus

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnatsum View Post
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    Who are "they"? NASCAR? The 'snowflakes"?
    Is there a difference between NASCAR management and snowflakes?

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    I'm done with NASCAR, NFL, NBA, and waiting how college sports respond to the crazy.

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    NASCAR had prided itself in the past by playing the National Anthem before EVERY race...what exactly makes you sure that NASCAR would NOT allow a car with the American flag colors on it, race?
    "Argument is an intellectual process. Contradiction is just the automatic gainsaying of anything the other person says." 'Argument Clinic', Monty Python's Flying Circus

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    Think I mentioned Ryan McGee of ESPN on another thread here. Here's his take of NASCAR "banning" the Confederate Battle Flag from being displayed on race weekends at its sanctioned tracks:

    The Confederate flag is finally gone at NASCAR races, and I won't miss it for a second

    Jun 10, 2020
    Ryan McGee
    ESPN Senior Writer

    The stars and bars have been banned from NASCAR racetracks.

    Finally.

    On Wednesday afternoon, three days after the Cup Series showed a unified front against racism at Atlanta Motor Speedway, and only a few hours before Bubba Wallace's No. 43 Chevy hit the track at Martinsville Speedway adorned with an image of black and white hands embraced, NASCAR announced it was officially pulling the battle banner of a nation long gone off of its racetrack properties. It's the culmination of a one-man campaign by Wallace, who this week appeared across major news outlets and called for NASCAR to finally do what it has wanted to for years. Now it finally is.

    Good.

    In its statement, NASCAR wrote: "The presence of the Confederate flag at NASCAR events runs contrary to our commitment to providing a welcoming and inclusive environment for all fans, our competitors and our industry. Bringing people together around a love for racing and the community it creates is what makes fans and sport special. The display of the Confederate flag will be prohibited from all NASCAR events and properties."

    Damn right.

    The Confederate flag is gone. I will not miss it for one single second.


    NASCAR on Wednesday announced it was prohibiting the display of the Confederate flag from all its events and properties, two days after Bubba Wallace called for the ban. AP Photo/Rob Carr
    Because gone with it is the perpetual need for me to apologize to my coworkers of color, who politely winced whenever we entered a speedway infield to be greeted by a line of Confederate flags. Gone is the instant evidence always used against me by friends and colleagues who refused to accept my pleas of "NASCAR has changed, really!" because they only had to point over my shoulder at the flags whipping in the wind in HDTV every Sunday afternoon. Gone are the skeptical rolled eyes that Wallace has had to combat his entire life. Same for NBA All-Star-turned-NASCAR team owner Brad Daugherty, or NASCAR official Kirk Price, or the family of NASCAR Hall of Famer Wendell Scott, the only other black driver to make his living as a Cup Series driver. All of them have spent their lives going to the racetrack, having achieved their dream of working at the highest level of stock car racing, only to have to explain over and over again why they chose to work at a place where multiple symbols of hate are displayed out in the open.

    Before we go any further, I want to address the "Heritage Not Hate" crowd. I'm talking about those who sound like me and look like me and, like me, have a deep-rooted Southern upbringing. Let's be totally clear here: By agreeing with NASCAR's decision, I'm not betraying anyone or anything. And don't start lecturing me on history, either. You don't have a boot to stand in when it comes to teaching me what that flag means. You go tale-of-the-tape with me on our Confederate DNA, and you're going to go down harder than Pickett's Charge.

    I am a direct descendant of slave owners. My family still owns the home where my forefathers lived while the human beings they owned worked all around them. As I write this, I am sitting on the North Carolina coast just south of Fort Fisher, the would-be protector of the port of Wilmington that was overrun by Union forces during the winter of 1865. My great-great-great grandfather and uncle were taken prisoner after fighting under that flag and were shipped off to a prison camp in Elmira, New York -- a.k.a., "Hell-mira" -- and when the Civil War ended, they walked home, 600 miles, to Rockingham, North Carolina. I have a photo of myself as a newborn, being held in the arms of my great aunt, who, as a child, talked to those men about what they fought for and lost. In the end, they were buried as citizens of the United States of America, with their nation's real flag, the Stars and Stripes, displayed over the gate to the cemetery.

    So, don't come at me with claims that I don't understand what the flags of the Confederate States of America stood for, or what it stands for now.

    My forefathers lost that war. I'm glad they lost it. They were on the wrong side of history. They've all been dead for more than a century and yet I've found myself still working to correct their wrongs. My brother has stood in the same field where the slaves once worked for my family. The man with the deed on the house, holding hands and weeping with the descendants of the people of whom my family once held the deed.


    Bubba Wallace, NASCAR's only black full-time driver, said Wednesday he knows some will not be happy about the decision to ban the Confederate flag: "We should not be able to have an argument over that. It is a thick line we cannot cross anymore." Jared C. Tilton/Getty Images
    So, yeah, spare me the arguments about what that flag really means. I know exactly what it means. It means pain. It means anguish. It means embarrassment. It means the most shameful blight on the pages of the history of the United States, and that's no small achievement.

    Even if there had ever been a stitch of honor left in that flag after the Civil War was over, that was wrung out when hate groups chose the stars and bars as their go-to banner, under which they set fire to crosses, lynched black Americans, and held aloft as they stood at the doors of desegregated schools and screamed at innocent children, schoolbooks in hand, who did nothing more than be born.

    There was a time when the swastika meant nothing, too. It first appeared in Asia 5,000 years ago. It was meant to signify the sun. But then someone came along and turned it into the symbol of one of the greatest evil forces that Earth has ever known.


    You wouldn't fly that over Talladega, would you? Because to millions upon millions of Americans, that's what they see and what they feel when they see that Confederate flag. I am 100 percent confident that a real NASCAR fan has the ability to enjoy a weekend in the infield just as much while flying an American flag as they do under the flag of a misguided, defeated nation that hasn't existed for 155 years. If they can't, then they've never loved NASCAR as much they have always claimed. They certainly have never loved it as much as I do.

    No, the only place where we should see the stars and bars now is displayed in a museum, encased in glass and context. You really want to teach someone about heritage versus hate? You really want to have a debate with someone about what those flags mean? Go to the Smithsonian. Go to the National Civil Rights Museum in Memphis, at the Lorraine Motel where Dr. Martin Luther King was assassinated. Go to Gettysburg, Appomattox, or meet me down at Fort Fisher. We can talk about it all day. At the right places.

    But not at the racetrack. Not anymore
    On the SPeedFreaksz radio show this weekend, McGee said that it won't completely eliminate the CBF from display at NASCAR tracks. LOTS of folks have the flag tattooed on their bodies somewhere...and OK< those folks "won their little battle", so there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gnatsum View Post
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    NASCAR had prided itself in the past by playing the National Anthem before EVERY race...what exactly makes you sure that NASCAR would NOT allow a car with the American flag colors on it, race?
    Someone may be offended by it. If so, NASCAR will exclude it in order to show how inclusive they are.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gnatsum View Post
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    Think I mentioned Ryan McGee of ESPN on another thread here. Here's his take of NASCAR "banning" the Confederate Battle Flag from being displayed on race weekends at its sanctioned tracks:



    On the SPeedFreaksz radio show this weekend, McGee said that it won't completely eliminate the CBF from display at NASCAR tracks. LOTS of folks have the flag tattooed on their bodies somewhere...and OK< those folks "won their little battle", so there.
    Wow, as they like to say today, "that's heavy", or in my day, "that's deep".......really like this guy, McGee's, style and approach.....I happen to be the ggggrandson and nephew of 2 men hanged to death by their "friends and neighbors" up by Hillsboro during the Texas run-up to the Civil War. Their only crime was they believed in the Union (like Houston) and (like Houston) would not betray it....mac
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    I have relatives who were hanged, drawn, and quartered for being Catholic. My father, a civil engineer exempt from military service, was killed by a USAF delivered bomb which had been aimed at a red cross painted on the roof of a hospital but which overshot its target. We all have a history. Rather than wallowing in that history it's better to move on to a brighter future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    I have relatives who were hanged, drawn, and quartered for being Catholic. My father, a civil engineer exempt from military service, was killed by a USAF delivered bomb which had been aimed at a red cross painted on the roof of a hospital but which overshot its target. We all have a history. Rather than wallowing in that history it's better to move on to a brighter future.
    do you honestly believe that the USAF aimed a bomb at a bldg with a Red Cross on it?.....or is that just a story you grew up hearing?.....first of all, how could anyone with his feet on this planet know what an AC was aiming at?......they couldn't and didn't but it sounded good so they kept tellin' it and a lot of little kids believed it......and it became implanted in them as securely as a memory......mac
    Last edited by mac; June 17th, 2020 at 12:17 AM.
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