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October 14th, 2019, 11:57 PM
#21
Originally Posted by
mac
where do they get that authority from? I hate to keep comin' back with all these questions but the whole thing just doesn't make a lick of sense to me.......i just don't see how if one school team wants to play another school team........who in the hell has the right to tell 'em they can't do it?.......mac
The NCAA has the right since they are the ruling body. If a college doesn't want to play by those rules then they can stop playing sports. All colleges have the right to leave the NCAA and go on their own, nothing stopping them. Except all major colleges are part of the NCAA. The NCAA is an amateur organization and all colleges agree to play by the NCAA rules.
its kinda like the Army, there are set rules for colleges kinda like the UCMJ.
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October 15th, 2019, 11:49 AM
#22
Originally Posted by
Night Owl
The NCAA has the right since they are the ruling body. If a college doesn't want to play by those rules then they can stop playing sports. All colleges have the right to leave the NCAA and go on their own, nothing stopping them. Except all major colleges are part of the NCAA. The NCAA is an amateur organization and all colleges agree to play by the NCAA rules.
its kinda like the Army, there are set rules for colleges kinda like the UCMJ.
oh, ok, i think i'm startin' to get it now. so this NCAA group is something that the schools themselves choose to join or not......and now they're bitchin' about the rules of an organization that they themselves chose and choose to join and, I guess, they prob'ly even pay some sort of dues or fees to belong to!.......got it.....mac
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October 15th, 2019, 12:09 PM
#23
They pretty much have carte blanche on inter-collegiate athletics, although every once in a while courts rule against them.
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August 18th, 2020, 11:34 AM
#24
Thanks for the information. I had pretty much heard that those were the infractions, but I thought surely there was more to the violations than that...
That was the worst punishment I have ever heard of being given to a university besides the death penalty that was given to SMU.
I personally know of several violations by schools that were much worse than what Fredenburg did, but of course they weren't reported. I guess rather than no harm, no foul, it is in some cases, no report, no foul, no punishment.
The other night I was watching Jay Leno's show about his cars that he has. He had Terry Bradshaw on his show, and Terry mentioned that he used to drive an old car on dates and around that one of the coaches had at LaTech.
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August 18th, 2020, 3:10 PM
#25
There have been a lot worse than SMU's infractions that's never been reported. Saw a news story in D Magazine a year or so ago (older issue) that looked back at the SMU penalty case (D looked back at the 25 biggest news stories in Dallas over the existence of that magazine).
For one, the kid who ratted SMU out was the beneficiary of a booster's pay plan, but then the kid was kicked out of school or was dropped from the football program due to injuries (I forgot which), and he discovered the money from the booster stopped coming, so he cried to Channel 8 and sportscaster Dale Hansen.
In the D magazine retrospective, Hansen noted that he was from Nebraska before he started on his broadcasting career, and was a dyed-in-the-wool Cornhusker fan. He said that a 'Husker player he knew back then (played in the '70s), came to him after the SMU scandal hit and said "Dale, we were taking money at Nebraska, too!!"
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August 18th, 2020, 3:21 PM
#26
Originally Posted by
CenTexDave
They pretty much have carte blanche on inter-collegiate athletics, although every once in a while courts rule against them.
why in the world would the courts be involved in anything that is called "inter-collegiate athletics" other a suit or violation of a federal/state/county or municipal crime? isn't this whole business sort of akin to something like an HOA where one of the residents calls foul because he threw his back out while scooping snow or raking leaves?......or a KKKluxer complaining because his sheet caused him overheat? the whole damned business doesn't make a lick of sense to me.....mac
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August 18th, 2020, 6:01 PM
#27
Still say UMHB got screwed
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August 18th, 2020, 6:13 PM
#28
gnatsum, I used to really enjoy Dale Hansen's sportscasts.....then, he seemed like he changed into more of a modern day muckraker, to me...altho I still enjoyed his show. It just wasn't the same.
Did you ever see his video "Thank God for Kids", sung by the Oak Ridge Boys ,that he played at Christmas?... I really looked forward to seeing that video...every Christmas.
You are very much correct about other programs that were paying. Back during this time period there were quite a few schools that had players on the payroll and/or driving new cars, along with other perks. ...Seeing the consequences of SMU's death penalty, and the effect it had on their program, it caused a lot of schools to "hunker down" with the payments, but....it still went on to a certain extent. I would strongly suspect that it still is.
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August 18th, 2020, 6:13 PM
#29
Originally Posted by
CenTexDave
Still say UMHB got screwed
well, if they did, hopefully they'll have the smarts to divorce themselves from the organization that did the screwin'....but it kinda sounds 'consensual' to me....i also think that the NCAA needs the school more than the school needs the NCAA........mac
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August 18th, 2020, 11:49 PM
#30
This whole thing is one of the big reasons why sports should not be in universities and colleges.
Just what impression do these college athletics take out of these places. It seems they are learning "if I can get away with it, it is ok". Is that really what universities and college should be teaching?
It seems Every college does this pay but don't tell anyone.