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    Fuller Brush is still in business? I remember when their salesmen would go door-to-door selling brushes and other stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    I will gladly lend him my power washer. If he can get a 10' ladder he should have no problem reaching to the top of the panels from the eves if he cannot get on the roof with enough water to wash that dirt off. If he wants the washer, PM me his address (Killeen/Harker Heights only) and I will drop it off and pick it up when he's finished.
    He has an electric power washer and simple green, he wants to use a fine brush as well. I told him to go to Hammond McCraight downtown and get a 20 foot length of PVC and make one that way. The way his roof is sloped coupled with the slope on his short side of the property he has to get at it from the roof peak. Thank you though......
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    My neighbor across the street is getting solar panels installed. He talked to our street commissar on the corner, he got solar panels and he knows everything. Nice guy, but good grief. Anyway, he came up to me and asked why I wont talk to the salesman about the panels, they are a great deal and one can save almost 30K in 20 years. I told him the biggest reason is you don't own the panels, you agree to pay the owner for the electricity the panels generate. Also you have a 20 year contract and I told him I noticed he tried to sell his house 3 or 4 times over the last 10 years, well the buyer of the house must agree to have the solar panels and electricity rate of what is left on the lease. I don't want a "Second lien" on my house and after 20 years if you don't renew or upgrade they remove them, then you need a new roof to boot. The look on his face was priceless. I know all this from dealing with it a few years ago with my mom. All these trucks have Jersey plates on them, I told her I didn't think she should get into a 20 year financial commitment or pay out right for the panels as you still have an electrical commitment. I finally told him google 20 year solar panel contract and see what pops. They seem to be pretty popular, then again a lot of people liked Betamax and video discs too at one time.... as he was walking away he was muttering something in Spanish, I think he is a bit disappointed...oh well too late...people are amazing.
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    I ran numbers on solar panels and discovered that they will not amortize their cost with the savings on electricity within my expected lifetime. I plan on finishing my life in my current home.
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    If a person really looks at the numbers by the time the savings catch up with the expense it's time to have new panels installed. Just didn't make sense to do it and to top it off I would have to cut trees down to get the full "benefit." Ain't cutting down trees I like hugging them to much. The feeling you get when the tree hugs back sends tingling feelings up your leg.
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    People really started installing panels in earnest when electric bills were rising dramatically a number of years ago.
    However, over the past five years or so technology has made great leaps in energy conservation. Converting your home to LED lighting, replacing your old air conditioner and furnace with a modern, energy-efficient one, and even replacing your refrigerator, washer, dryer and TV will cost less than installing solar panels and could reduce your energy bill to less than half of what it was. And of course, you own those improvements and can sell them with the house.
    As a result, if electric bills can be reduced so much, the cost/benefit ratio of solar panels starts to become more questionable. Buyers who are aware of this trend may have no interest in taking on a long-term obligation to pay a solar company, thereby reducing the number of buyers willing to take over your payments.
    Source: https://www.dailyrepublic.com/projec...-home-sellers/

    I heard the California oblast is really pushing solar panels on people with all the subtlety of a Soviet tank in a cake shop. This sounds like a California idea and if true is a good indication of an idea sane people will want to avoid. Californians, however, must perform their socialist duty of achieving 100% renewable energy so rising sea levels don't submerge the streets of San Fransisco causing all the feces on the streets to float away to Washington where they might be mistaken for a California Congressman or Senator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    Fake plastic or metal tiles work well, but you would have to replace the entire roof and reinforce the rafters if you want to install authentic ceramic tiles or slate.
    can't imagine why you'd have to replace the whole roof but you're right about the rafters, you'd have to dbl or sister up on them and the bents both.....mac
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ludwig View Post
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    I ran numbers on solar panels and discovered that they will not amortize their cost with the savings on electricity within my expected lifetime. I plan on finishing my life in my current home.

    MY ANALYSIS
    The maintenance and upkeep are ridiculous in terms of MTBF alone.

    $2270.00 / YR / 12 = $189.00 MO
    My 2018 electric cost based on cooling/heating (average temp 72)
    1600 sq feet under roof and running a business that uses a bunch
    of electricity during repairs.



    There is no possible way any company can represent a maintenance free install and the monthly cost reduction in electricity will offset KWH draw from a traditional power provider in any lifetime of any person for any house mounted on any type of roof..

    It's workable if the solar grid could be built as a separate structure in 8-12 hours of direct sunlight annually with a battery storage building, then pumped into a home through a live or real time actuator switch.

    I would sooner see 200 more invoicing agencies pimping out oncor, fighting for
    your power invoice through traditional deregulation.
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    Well, it's like the shooper stalkers from the energy companies like Reliant that accost you as you walk in the store... I have used TXU since I moved here in 86, and have never had a problem with them. When you switch, you may save some initial money due to different corporate rates per KWH, but the real providers are ONCOR.... The real figures behind your electricity.

    You figure this out quickly if you ever have an outage and call your provider. They will immediately remind you that they are just the provider, as in a clearing house for energy, and that any outages have to be reported to Oncor, who really is the party who will fix your problem.

    And then you will feel the frustration of a customer that has to work through the red tape of corporate operations. Talking to a live person who actually cares is not going to happen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sojourner truth View Post
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    Oncor is the real energy provider in Texas the rest just mark up your invoice from 4.4 cents per KWH to whatever deal you bang out with the biller.

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